Pit Schultz on Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:39:02 +0100 (CET) |
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[Nettime-bold] re: digital hooliganism |
andreas, alex, >while i agree that the net is becoming more irritating as it is becoming >more insecure through a decrease in social control, i think it is useless >to decry the lack of moral responsibility. i wouldn't go so far, i'd rather call it lack of precision on the level of professional mediation. this applies not only for journalism which is usually accused for representing hacking in a 'wrong' light. it might look like a minor detail but i found it examplary for a broader tendency in what is called 'media culture'. >there is a certain romanticism >(remember those old pirate movies ...) in the appraisal of hacker culture, >but as alex has already pointed out, we probably need a more precise >terminology to say which types of 'hacking' are doing exactly what. it is certainly not helping to mediate hacking as an art strategy exactly in the moment when it becomes a kind of digital plague. in a broader sense, i see it rather as a symptom of the media art discourse, of a detachement from the object, and a tendency to achieve a certain kind of self-referential autonomy within the discourse to provide a certain kind of bufferzone of meaninglessnes. thought it could be productive to reexamine the old romantic terminologies of the cyber-circus in it's history of interpretation. there are many other points where a similar diagnosis works. "media culture" as an interface between 'the two cultures', is constructing it's own reality, it's own agencies and it's own values. on the one hand the mediation has to correspond neccesarily with the actualities of media practise to a certain degree, but to the other side, the so called 'audience', the mediation mirrors the precise conditions of the discourse of media culture and its institutions and participants, it's own limitations and functionalities. so what is presented to the audience about hackers, is probably saying more about the audience and the apperatus of mediation then about hackers themselves. this is not 'morally wrong', but i think it should be adressed from time to time. > >how detached does the "media culture" discourse have to get from the > phenomena > >of everyday digital life to finally become a full part of the reactionary > >logic which it seems to try to critique? > >how detached from the reality of the networks does a project manager have >to get in order to _not_ make regular back-ups of an important >international project like orang? well, speaking less about responsibility than economy, assumed that's simply a problem of cash (investment into a proper DLT backup mechanism costs about dollar 2K) then, how cost effective an investment in this independent digital archive would have been, in terms of 'cultural value' and in comparision with the investments put into an average media art exhibition. what kind of structures would be needed to make such funding a reality? and wouldn't it be an appropriate curatorial media art practise to give funding to valuable processual net projects instead of just paying for physical presentations and installations? why such a debate seems to be neccessary again today after the 'dematerialisation' of art more than 30 years ago? concerning risk management, if someone would break into the computers of your office tomorrow and erase all data, would you have had a proper backup? hi alex, >'hacker' is not such a descriptive word, it refers to cultures with >tendencies, not a specific past-time. so context becomes very important >when you talk about hackers. yes, especially in the context of 'media art' and 'media culture'. where the terminology seems to be particulary blured regarding the role of 'hacking' as a gesture. >but i think you get this context wrong. here you seem suggest that ccc is >a good hacker group, yet didn't they run the hacking techniques workshop >that you attack in your post? not exactly, it was an art group from spain, but even if the workshop was fun, i wanted to speak about it's contextual function. what was much more astonshing for me was that 'blinkenlights' a collaborative work of the CCC was running out of competition, maybe because it would have simply won all prices, outperforming the output of educational art institutions for which these competitions are important benchmarks? these artists might borough from ccc a certain value of authenticity, and i am sure that the script-kiddies think themselves that it's 'cool' to break into systems (which again generates a problems for the ccc) and even the curator, expecting that hacking has a certain attention value, knows that 'hacking is a cool topic'. it is the symbolic exchange which becomes empty here, or at least contradictious. and my 'forkbomb.pl' stript, how is that >useful to script kiddies? it's a _taming_ of an extremely well known >technique. The taming of the shrew? the tactiques of putting something 'ugly' or 'common' into an art context to turn it into 'poetry' isn't new. one could call it aesthetification. it has a funny taste in the context of the house of world cultures, where normally art from 'other' cultures is exhibited in a post-colonial manner. but what kind of politics does it imply to highlight the aesthetical value while not discussing the rather mundane issues of hacking? when duchamp introduced his pissoir it was also a commentary on the way art competitions worked. later on he said that he has to reduce the number of ready-mades. > > i didn't want to discredit the 'good, old' hackers at all, and i > > think many of them would agree because they also know about > > how much efforts it needs to keep getting systems secure against > > all kinds of attacks and exploits. > >it's actually a lot easier than you suggest. close off all un-necessary >ports, upgrade to ssh2, monitor activity. if you have a decent backup >policy (which you should have anyway to protect against hardware failure), >then you limit any possible danger. if you host net.art projects and >don't have backups, then that is plain irresponsible. you're on a side track i believe. it lays exactly not in the range of competence of an average system administrator (let's say like in a medium size company or small university) to keep track of the newest security issues. there is a whole industry out there for a reason, and depending on the 'value' you have to defend, you can never invest enough into it, because, as you know, there is nothing like a 100% secure system. (btw, there's an ssh2 exploit already talked about all over the place.) these security issues i believe foster more centralisation in the business. and when WIFI (wavelan) will be commodified in a broader range, you'll have the same argument again. 'let us do the job for you, just for your security'. it is this ambiguity of hacking, the richness and probably contradictions it carries with it, which i find interesting, and what i would expect to get mediated in a valuable piece of art or art discourse. don't misunderstand, it is not a political correct argument, like blaming the director of "the godfather I-III" for legitimizing organized crime. and i also have full respect of new kinds of poetry groups who read computer code to each other. all i wanted is to question the way a certain system of mediation works here. _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold