Lachlan Brown on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:01:01 +0200 (CEST) |
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[Nettime-bold] [the metaversity] few are called |
> > Speed ironically, is so often a symptom of total immobility. > How true, Brad, how true. Arthur Kroker and I had two conversations on the matter in 1994 and in 1995. I am sure Arthur recalls them well. > > > By purposes of general regard, what is the idea of a metaversity? > > OK then, > > Max Herman You know Max, those who are called or subscribe will be the first to know. They will then go abroad in the world spreading the good news of the Metaversity to all they meet. The idea of the Metaversity is in the teaching. it is also in the learning of the teaching. I would hate to exclude cynicism or scepticism from the teaching process - indeed I would positively encourage it - as it helps us identify the sincerely cynical from the insincerely cynical. A test text: I found this in undercurrents this morning from Pauline of White+Mute Magazine Will the idea of the Metaversity like so many ideas attract ALL of the pigs to the trough of potential funding? ---cynically insincere striving snippet--- Dear Maria and Undercurrents, Thanks for bringing this all ´back to basics´. In a way, for me it´s possibly a bit too early to imagine what our commonalities are - apart, that is, from us all feeling quite strongly about what happens on this list and what it (could) mean(s) for us and all our different experiences. What I can ruminate on a bit more, and have wanted to on several occasions over the past months but never really found the right moment to, is what appears to be the potential of lists in general. Although I don´t believe many of them come to fulfill it (as here pointed out via hundreds of different illustrations of their role in consolidating emergent power), their potentiality points to a space/place that is at once dialogic and pedagogic. Now of course that all sounds very well and high fallutin´, precisely the kind of problematic orthodoxy that a more critical examination of their role in exclusions, cultural power formations, etc. would seek to expose, but let´s just go with the Utopian View for the moment. Where - for me - it gets interesting is precisely in their most problematic qualities, e.g. their near total erasure of context. If you step back and actually remember how you first approach a list, how you read someone´s words, how you might try and imagine ´where they´re coming from´, as it were, you have a situation in which a *lot* of empathy is required, as well as a lot of guess work. What it typically also means is that - apart from all the other cultural/social identifiers we have mentioned before - you *can* have the old and the young, the classically and the unclassically educated, the teacher, the student, the good typer, the bad typer, she with oceans of time, she with none of it, the native English speaker and the non-native English speaker and the shy and the outrageously unshy talking/typing to each other - as well as to some imaginary space in which they have a notional commonality. On a list that, although it has decided to stay relatively closed and ´constitute´ itself according to a non-standard list demographic, has vowed to explore some very complex (and I mean this on both personal, philosophical and political levels) subjects, this means something very exciting. It means precisely (and again, I say this not exactly knowing how this list is constituted - so I may be wrong) that people´s differences can be explored, but not immediately used to place them, and their words, in a particular category or classification. Now I know this sounds naive, because it´s important to know in ´real´ terms ´where people are coming from´. Then, people give so much of themselves away the minute they speak/type (I know I do, and did) anyway. And, for those who own, moderate or are addicted to lists ;) , much about each poster is probably already known. On a more general level, having continuous access to any list is some form of privilege... But - again in the Utopian View - what I find exciting about it is that you have a type of pedagogy, and dialogue, that exists *outside* of (but in parallel to) the strictures of schools, universities, places of work, and that offers the possibility of inter-generational exchange that legitimately combines personal experience with conceptual, political, intellectual exploration. For me, who had a short and very frustrating (well, at least on the academic side) arts school education, lists have functioned to introduce me to voices, experiences, and especially ´link-formations´ (I can´t find a better way of explaining how a post can educate you in how to link one idea to another, how to explain a cultural or political phenomenon through someone´s own personal context of doing-and-learning) and as such been primary educational spaces. This is not to say that everything I learn on them I believe... That I never read books... That I don´t learn as much or more from my friends. Or that each single poster I view as some kind of teacher-god. It is just to say that their capacity to combine registers legitimately, and to let people of different generations and levels of experience speak to each other on something like an equal level, is really important - and something that should be cherished, nurtured, rather than merely mistrusted for the sake of some more virtuous way of doing things where you have proper respect for authority, your betters, and the past - and where you ´speak´ on that basis, and never out of turn. A lot of blabla maybe, but that´s the main thing I wanted to say at this point. All the very best, Pauline. >After Amelia´s and Diana´s thoughtful posts it may be a good time to change >the focus of the discussion. So far we have stressed our differences. >Perhaps we could begin to try to find our commonalities? This is what I was >hoping to achieve when I asked all of us to reflect on what brought us to >this list. Amelia commented on the irony of alienating those who share >similar political positions. How can we bring our resemblances into relief? >Suggestions are welcome. -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Save up to $160 by signing up for NetZero Platinum Internet service. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=N2P0602NEP8 _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold