philip pocock on Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:38:02 +0100 (CET) |
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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> other than pocock's boycotts |
the term i use 'embargo' in my open letter to manovich, you humorously equate with boycott. " the term Boycott comes from Colonel Boycott, a person so horrible to work for that his workers refused to harvest his fields." http://www.dcrtv.net/mb0206b.html it's not however what i intend to say exactly. an online embargo distinguishes itself from a RL embargo. i intend by embargo, no censoring or 'boycotting' but simply a concept-clarifying open forum that exposes for the online record, the misappropriation of terms, their muddling by manovich, for motivations only he knows. the best boycott is an open forum. thanks for taking part. i hope you'll take time to continue. my hope is that with it, the underlying paradigm of media influencing the polit-media stars, ie B&B, is not to be given a cosmetically-termed database facelift as soft cinema does. if one of the teams working in the field with proper understanding of datadase tech and media art gets lucky and makes a break through without making new media systems backward-compatible to inappropriate paradigms for database media as soft cinema does, there is movement, horizon and hope. the affect and effect of manovich's promotion of so-called 'database cinema' asks both those who are and are not familiar with database technology to set back their system clock to pre-OOP database sytems - focus instead on contemporary misnomers like soft cinema, rather that imagining any quiet revolution that new media database coding might cause in thev tired media-prop cultural production loop. as labyrinthian as manovich might inscribe his closed circle. Chewing gum for the eyeballs, is how buckie fuller would perhaps describe soft cinema. what soft cinema ignores, consciously or not, is that (Open Database Management Systems) blurs lines between consumption (classic media-prop) and the emerging of user participation, co-production of knowledge (and media art). Soft cinema gives any ground new media may open back to the classic control of tv news, using databases of the soft cinema sort for decades (without manovich's mondrianesque, eye-candy effect). manovich flavors his GUI's consumers with what they already are feeding on with a growing scepticism. a brief timeline on database tech: - 1950s Database technology evolved as a solution to manage access to shared data. - 1961, BASE-BALL provided access to data via natural language processing. - 1962, multi-valued DBMS (Database Management System) began with the Generalized Information Retrieval and Listing System (GIRLS). - 1970, Relational, SQL (Structured Query Language) and Beyond from Codd's seminal work. - 1993, the Object Data Management Group (ODMG) created the first standard for object databases, based on OOP (Object-Oriented Programming). http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Ken_North/db_hall.htm Is it not peculiar that ML would have the brashness to title his book keying on the subject of databases 'Language of New Media'. Certainly it is not useful to media artists and students searching and experimenting with current database tools. Am Sunday den, 16. February 2003, um 16:38, schrieb Heiko Recktenwald: > Hi Pocock, btw ;-) > > On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, McKenzie Wark wrote: > >> Mr Pocock confuses two relatively separate things, but it seems to me >> he makes an excellent point under each heading anyway. >> >> 1. why not boycott the media product of the United States and its >> allies >> at this point in time? One might argue that the arts community is >> mostly > > Boycott or not, many pieces of so called american art are better than > Bush > etc (maybe even Bush is better than Bush, I really like some aspects of > the person/family). But whatever happens, we will no longer view those > american things with the same eyes. A lot of things will no longer be > neutral, trash or whatever, pop, they will look really ugly. > > What seemed to be history, "the ugly american", has reappeared in much > more terrible dimensions.It will last years for Hollywood etc to cure > this > esthetic desease. Like Napalm and Dow Chemicals 30 years........ > > I dont know if Blair is so important, who believes in BBC (well, Pit), > but "american civilisation" will never be the same. > > Maybe we should work in this direction more, the old Europe etc showing > american uglyness, even innocent one, this is most ugly. > > > H. > > http://www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/ -- the messy mp4 playlist name game > page. > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg > body > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net > > philip pocock gabelsbergerstr. 1 d-76135 karlsruhe germany mobile/sms +49 1707 369 870 tel +49 721 845 715 fax +49 721 830 2714 the more we share, the more we have. - l.nimoy _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://amsterdam.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold