brian carroll on 19 Feb 2001 01:39:22 -0000 |
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<nettime> Re: [ot] [!nt] \n2+0\ okz!dent human!tar!an madnesz |
/* hi nn: | where is madness in art +? | + certainly must ask - where is madness in all this +? /* my guess is that it is in the architecture of the language, /* in the way it is designed. i keep thinking of computer /* processors and their logic gates as representative for /* how ideas/thoughts are processed. everything coming down /* to numbers, ultimately, in the flow, but also the design /* of the processor (and its machine language and chipset /* architecture) itself determining the outcome of the /* answers. this, in comparison to beowulf clusters and /* co-processing, and even moreso, quantum computing where /* ideas can be paradoxical and still computation can take /* place, instead of linear (answer1 + answer2 = solution3 ). /* the Grand Narrative, while supposedly vanished/vanquished, /* is in the very chipset of the cybernetic human-computer /* processing of information into knowledge. processors can /* not process paradox and contradictory situations, it has /* to be black and white, no gray, no color, no spectrum of /* possibility. right or wrong. true or false. or nothing. /* in this processing, and its architecture of language, /* especially with those who are in the rapture of madness, /* Loops appear everywhere. loops in thinking, ideas, in /* actions, repeating themselves, time and space suspended /* in a looped scenario. it is language and ideas and the /* thoughts, as much as it is of people and psychology and /* philosophy. my loops are probably well enough known, so /* i will use a different loop as an example... | this - a l l this. = but 01 ch!!!!!!p. uneventful | korporat fascist gullibloon zpektakle. char korporat_fascist /* this word repeats itself as an identifier in many of /* your posts. some event triggers it, and the message /* gets sent, identifying the language in this regard. /* i consider this a loop (not a judgement of the idea) /* and wonder if language could be coded so as to find /* the logic of this loop. here's one attempt... if (korporat_fascist == person) { korporat_fascist = power? + authority? + domination? } else { korporat_fascist =/= person } /* all of the variables? above would need to be determined. /* but i wonder if there is a way to code 'what is a /* korporat_fascist' so that there is a way out of the /* looping of the language code. what defines a person /* or an idea as a korporat_fascist will enable the /* loop to be coded and an entry-exit for the idea, /* a solution. that is, if it is not paradoxical. if /* it is paradoxical, then it will be impossible to /* truthfully define one thing as wholly korporat_fascist /* if it is indeed not, and the complexity of the idea /* may need to be reevaluated in this regard. my guess /* is that language, not people, could be parsed in this /* regard, by the variables that define the loop, and /* a coding-experiment could reveal which path(s) will /* release the language games from the looping function. || everything is privatized. even democratic || thought. | + my body. dont touch dze d!zpla!z. body = (private + public) body mind = (private + public) mind body + mind = identity private body public body private mind 1 private mind 2 private mind private body public body public mind 3 public mind 4 public mind private body public body language = identity (i, me, my, we, us, our) if "i" = 1,2 then "i" = "private i" if "we" = 1,2 then "we" = private we" if "we" + "i" = 1, then =/= 3,4 /* purist approach to the private, which is not by /* itself a problem, but when the private is posited /* as the public, through governance or speech, meant /* to represent the whole, beyond "i" as a private /* individual, then conditions 2,3,4 must be somehow /* included. likewise, using a total public mind and /* body could have equally negative effects as can /* the private, with regard to human rights and the /* state of affairs amongst peoples. public body + private mind = state representation today private body + public mind = online citizen representation || it is by default. it is a trap. | your body +? + language/words /* anything externalized is privatized. it is auto- /* matically so, for language and identity (mind + /* body) have been inherited for many in this way. if (we cannot communicate our way out of this condition) then (we need to code/program our way out) code/program = coding/programming language/words, as source, with bugs, to be compiled for various machines, more like Java than C++, compile once, run on many machines. /* how can language/communicating be coded more like Java /* than like C++? or is this even desirable? does it have /* anything to do with how it is coded, or does it have /* to do with the technical infrastructure of the chips, /* the logic boards in our brains by which we process /* these bits of information. how many 'read' (and then /* write) to a long piece of nettime code? the code, the /* millions of lines, are full of bugs. and only more /* code is added. instead of simplifying the procedures, /* breaking them down into modules that can be reused /* and are open for redevelopment by others, instead of /* proprietary (private) ideas and... /* what is the difference between patenting an idea /* and copyrighting an idea? can an idea not be a /* technical invention/innovation? (not with regard /* to money or royalties, but to attributing the source /* of the idea, while still being able to work with the /* idea, rather than the moat and castle effect of the /* copyright law in relation to interrogating ideas...) > the best thing is not being born. being nothing. > the next best thing is ________.... if ((energy cannot be created and destroyed) and entropy redistributed energy)) then (birth + death = transition between being and no-thing-ness) > what is the dream the dream that feels that > fleshes out emotion turns the transcendental into > tangible and visceral vibrant even perhaps or > soft soft too a means (though subtler) towards > touch a dream of or to touch as if touching were > the way the only way to maintain a space reality > to capture particle of time or, more clearly, a > > dreamlike conception of the abstract of time > flowing empty to full (if you can make that > distinction) and full to empty > light and lightness hence communion of flow /* minds touch, dreams touch /* times touch, lives touch /* ideas touch, feelings touch /* mystery and emotion, felt /* pain, burden, misery, yet love /* all those dead, memories to revisit /* for those falling daily into graves /* flower-filled and moist soil, an /* illusion as worms eat at the body /* the life of thought-feeling freed /* reuniting every-thing and no-thing - the spreading web like rhythm we towards inch with - each impression yes +? /* the thought-feeling, a pulse, dying /* fight to keep alive, keep believing /* cynics and skeptics and pundits prevail /* babel and babelfish for expert solutions /* noise, no sound, no music, no energy /* sparks of hope, ignite mind, lightning storm /* skies shine with rain, seeding dreams /* push forward, embattled, under fire /* push far enough ahead /* so we can finally afford to die one_order = one_order + many_orders /* bc # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net