<nettime> The Delanews project & Article on Usenet/Google

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1.......From: "S. Kritikos" <metacode@yahoo.com>   
........Subject: The Delanews project

2.......From: ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben)
........Subject: Article in Telepolis about Culture Clash over Usenet
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:34:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "S. Kritikos" <metacode@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Delanews project
To: nettime <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>


A follow up to our recent discussion about Google and Deja:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:33:34 -0500
> From: Deja Refugee <Deja_Refugee@MailAndNews.com>
> To: deja_refugee@MailAndNews.com
> Subject: Del[ISO-8859-1] à News pages/forums/mlist are now up
> 
> I apologize for taking so long, and for not having a personalized
> reply for everyone.
> Please start at http://delanews.sourceforge.net, read the blurbs,
> follow the links from there, and start using the forums.  Even if
> you lack time or technical skills, there are ways you can help.
> 
> [Don't overlook today's posting in the Help forum, subject
> "forum alternatives".  For the next few days, the most urgent need
> is for ideas on better ways for us all to communicate; the
> SourceForge forum/mlist facilities are somewhat limiting.  Maybe
> it's just my ignorance.]
> 
> Developers & Rocket-Scientists:
> There's a lot of design work to be done.  I've posted my own
> thinking, but I'm not special, and all aspects are open to debate.
> 
> Caveat:  I suspect that a lot of people eagerly anticipate that this is
> intended to be a gnutella/freenet-style project.  I've posted the ways
> in which I think that model doesn't fit, so this may not be the project
> you were hoping to work on.  Then again, maybe I'll be out-voted.
> 
> Regardless, we need to arrive at a consensus on the optimal path to
> creating the best possible successor to Déjà, even if it means that
> the development work isn't as sexy as we'd like.  In the end, if the
> users and organizations don't naturally gravitate to the result we
> finally
> deliver, then we'll have been merely amusing ourselves.
> 
> It would be great if we could hammer-out an over-all design by April
> 1st.
> Let's get to work.
> 


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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:38:01 -0500 (EST)
From: ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben)
To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net
Subject: Article in Telepolis about Culture Clash over Usenet Archives


   "Culture Clash: The Google Purchase of the 1995-2001 Usenet Archive 
And the Online Community" is an article on some of the issues raised by 
the purchase of the Usenet archives from Deja.com. The article is
online in "Telepolis".

It's online at http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/te/7013/1.html

It also puts the problem in the context of the is history and vision
for the Internet.

Ronda
ronda@ais.org  


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