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Fw: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:09:27 -0100
Subject: [rohrpost] FBI Raids Indy Media Center
From: nettime's_roving_reporter <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0424-04.htm
(...) Security plans intended to protect Western leaders attending a
trade summit in Quebec City were stolen from a car there over the
weekend and posted, hours later, on a Seattle-based Web site,
authorities said yesterday.
On Saturday night, FBI agents raided the offices of the Independent
Media Center in downtown Seattle, seizing computer-log records,
according to federal sources.No arrests have been made.
Center spokeswoman Sherry Herndon said she and other staff have been
told "not to talk about" the incident under threat of being held in
contempt of court. (...)
No mention of the FBI raid could be found yesterday on the IMC Web
site. But the organization's home page carried a boldface note
stating, "Everything is fine at the Seattle IMC. We will keep you
posted on any further developments."
One federal criminal justice source said the speed with which the
sensitive stolen document appeared on the Internet speaks to the
sophistication of the movement that is opposed to unrestricted global
trade.
"The fact that you have something of this magnitude out there on the
Web, it really shows these groups are strong, resourceful and
resilient," the source said.
The IMC calls itself "a collective of independent media organizations
and hundreds of journalists offering grass-roots, non-corporate,
non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues."
The organization has committed "no clear-cut violation of U.S. law" by
posting the document on the Web, and the action may be protected as
free speech, according to federal criminal justice sources. (...)
The breach of security, however, is another embarrassment for the
Canadian government, which recently lost a highly sensitive,
anti-terrorism document. It was stolen from a government official's
car while he was attending a hockey game.
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police referred a call for comment on the
IMC incident to Quebec Provincial Police, which was in charge of
security at the summit. No one was available to comment on the matter
yesterday at police headquarters in Montreal.
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From: "Ben" <justbenjamin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fw: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:11:23 +0100
woah
----- Original Message -----
from: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
to: <politech@politechbot.com>
cc: <paulshukovsky@seattle-pi.com>; <editorial@seattle.indymedia.org>;
<news@seattle.indymedia.org>
sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:12 PM
subject: FC: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
> This was reportedly posted on then removed from vermont.indymedia.org:
> >"There is a report of FBI Officers currently located within the Seattle
> >IMC demanding the location of the person who's name is the registered name
> >of indymedia.org. Apparently, they have an arrest warrant for Jonathan Jay
> >because of a supposed threat against President Bush on the Montreal IMC
> >site. They are making threats that the IMC is not supposed to send out
> >*any* emails regarding this issue, according to the warrant. However,
> >this, according to the IMC lawyer, is Prior Restraint, which is
> >unconstitutional. The closest story mentioning Bush on the Montreal site
> >is the following: story mentioning bush Please look to
> >seattle.indymedia.org as well as other sites for updates on this situation."
>
> The name "Jonathan Jay" does indeed appear in the "whois" database:
> http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=indymedia.org
>
> But each Independent Media Center is a collective that includes hundreds of
> loosely-affiliated journalists and activists. Holding the whois registrant
> responsible for what appears on the site -- if that is what happened --
> makes little sense. He may have simply donated the domain name years ago,
> or may be no longer involved in the publication of the site.
>
> Also, the gag order -- the sketchy little we know of it -- seems remarkably
> broad. Why shouldn't a news organization be able to report on a raid of its
> office?
>
> Background:
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38286,00.html
> http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/24/1857245
>
> -Declan
>
> *********
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:07:54 -0700
> From: Warren Cowley <wdcowley@earthlink.net>
> To: declan@well.com
> Subject: Indymedia raided by the FBI and gag order placed on discussion of
> the issue
>
> Declan,
> Please sound the alarm. The FBI has chosen another target. They raided the
> Indymedia center on sat 04/21/01.
> In the process they have placed a gag order on indymedia.
> the story is here :
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0424-04.htm
> and
> here:
> http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36185&group=webcast
>
> Thanks
> A very concerned citizen
>
> *********
>
> http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/19980_security24.shtml
>
> FBI raids media center
> Stolen security plan for Quebec meeting was put on Internet here
>
> Tuesday, April 24, 2001
>
> By PAUL SHUKOVSKY
> SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
>
> Security plans intended to protect Western leaders attending a trade
> summit in Quebec City were stolen from a car there over the weekend
> and posted, hours later, on a Seattle-based Web site, authorities said
> yesterday.
>
> On Saturday night, FBI agents raided the offices of the Independent
> Media Center in downtown Seattle, seizing computer-log records,
> according to federal sources.
>
> No arrests have been made.
>
> Center spokeswoman Sherry Herndon said she and other staff have been
> told "not to talk about" the incident under threat of being held in
> contempt of court.
>
> She referred inquiries to attorney Bob Goodman of the Center for
> Constitutional Rights in New York City, who also declined comment.
>
> He said the court order that was served on the IMC "contains a fairly
> broad gag order; therefore, we cannot talk."
>
> ...
>
> No mention of the FBI raid could be found yesterday on the IMC Web
> site. But the organization's home page carried a boldface note
> stating, "Everything is fine at the Seattle IMC. We will keep you
> posted on any further developments."
>
> ...
>
> *********
>
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From: "Ben" <justbenjamin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fw: IMC responds to post about FBI visit and court gag order
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:26:50 +0100
----- Original Message -----
from: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
to: <politech@politechbot.com>
cc: <micah@indymedia.org>; <paulshukovsky@seattle-pi.com>;
<editorial@seattle.indymedia.org>; <news@seattle.indymedia.org>
sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:51 PM
subject: FC: IMC responds to post about FBI visit and court gag order
> **********
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:30:23 -0700
> From: Micah Anderson <micah@indymedia.org>
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> Cc: wdcowley@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
> Message-ID: <20010424123023.E1873@riseup.net>
> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010424143049.02037e60@mail.well.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline
>
> ARG! You have no idea how much I laughed when I read the Seattle PI story,
> it is so grossly inaccurate it HURTS. Don't worry, the IMC has not been
> raided, nothing has been taken, the FBI did visit, but DAMN people freak out
> about the most random rumors... Please make it known that this PI article is
> so full of errors it cannot be trusted ("Sherry" - they can't even spell her
> name right), we are speaking with the PI for a retraction and corrections.
>
> Micah
> IMC
>
> **********
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:45:55 -0700
> From: Micah Anderson <micah@indymedia.org>
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> Subject: Re: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
>
> the imc has been served with an order, the contents of which are covered by
> a protective order issued by the court, which essentially means we can't
> talk about it. we're consulting with our lawyer in nyc as well as local
> counsel, both of which are avidly opposed to any violation of the bill of
> rights.
>
> the situation is under control and we'll be passing along information as
> soon as we are able, once we are able to not purjure ourselves due to the
> gag order, all will be clear, but the IMC has not been compromised in any
> way, no RAID happened. We had a visit, but it was strictly to serve the
> order. It is in no way as bad as it sounds.
>
> Trust me, the full information will be available when we can make it so, but
> at this point we have to make sure that we aren't harming ourselves by
> revealing. It is simply a matter of making sure we don't harm the IMC as an
> entity by purjuring ourselves before the court. Unfortunately this sort of
> silence and secrecy is what makes the left paranoid (rightly so, see the
> FTAA text for a good example), and claims to be made that may or may not be
> true. Our highest priority is to make it so we can set the record straight
> and not harm ourselves by doing so, but it is safe to say that things are
> just fine, there is no need for fear, and definately no need for rumors.
>
> Micah
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > So what *did* happen, to set the record straight?
> >
> > -Declan
>
> **********
>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:09:27 -0100
Subject: [rohrpost] FBI Raids Indy Media Center
From: nettime's_roving_reporter <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0424-04.htm
(...) Security plans intended to protect Western leaders attending a
trade summit in Quebec City were stolen from a car there over the
weekend and posted, hours later, on a Seattle-based Web site,
authorities said yesterday.
On Saturday night, FBI agents raided the offices of the Independent
Media Center in downtown Seattle, seizing computer-log records,
according to federal sources.No arrests have been made.
Center spokeswoman Sherry Herndon said she and other staff have been
told "not to talk about" the incident under threat of being held in
contempt of court. (...)
No mention of the FBI raid could be found yesterday on the IMC Web
site. But the organization's home page carried a boldface note
stating, "Everything is fine at the Seattle IMC. We will keep you
posted on any further developments."
One federal criminal justice source said the speed with which the
sensitive stolen document appeared on the Internet speaks to the
sophistication of the movement that is opposed to unrestricted global
trade.
"The fact that you have something of this magnitude out there on the
Web, it really shows these groups are strong, resourceful and
resilient," the source said.
The IMC calls itself "a collective of independent media organizations
and hundreds of journalists offering grass-roots, non-corporate,
non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues."
The organization has committed "no clear-cut violation of U.S. law" by
posting the document on the Web, and the action may be protected as
free speech, according to federal criminal justice sources. (...)
The breach of security, however, is another embarrassment for the
Canadian government, which recently lost a highly sensitive,
anti-terrorism document. It was stolen from a government official's
car while he was attending a hockey game.
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police referred a call for comment on the
IMC incident to Quebec Provincial Police, which was in charge of
security at the summit. No one was available to comment on the matter
yesterday at police headquarters in Montreal.
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From: "Ben" <justbenjamin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fw: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:11:23 +0100
woah
----- Original Message -----
from: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
to: <politech@politechbot.com>
cc: <paulshukovsky@seattle-pi.com>; <editorial@seattle.indymedia.org>;
<news@seattle.indymedia.org>
sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:12 PM
subject: FC: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
> This was reportedly posted on then removed from vermont.indymedia.org:
> >"There is a report of FBI Officers currently located within the Seattle
> >IMC demanding the location of the person who's name is the registered name
> >of indymedia.org. Apparently, they have an arrest warrant for Jonathan Jay
> >because of a supposed threat against President Bush on the Montreal IMC
> >site. They are making threats that the IMC is not supposed to send out
> >*any* emails regarding this issue, according to the warrant. However,
> >this, according to the IMC lawyer, is Prior Restraint, which is
> >unconstitutional. The closest story mentioning Bush on the Montreal site
> >is the following: story mentioning bush Please look to
> >seattle.indymedia.org as well as other sites for updates on this situation."
>
> The name "Jonathan Jay" does indeed appear in the "whois" database:
> http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=indymedia.org
>
> But each Independent Media Center is a collective that includes hundreds of
> loosely-affiliated journalists and activists. Holding the whois registrant
> responsible for what appears on the site -- if that is what happened --
> makes little sense. He may have simply donated the domain name years ago,
> or may be no longer involved in the publication of the site.
>
> Also, the gag order -- the sketchy little we know of it -- seems remarkably
> broad. Why shouldn't a news organization be able to report on a raid of its
> office?
>
> Background:
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38286,00.html
> http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/24/1857245
>
> -Declan
>
> *********
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:07:54 -0700
> From: Warren Cowley <wdcowley@earthlink.net>
> To: declan@well.com
> Subject: Indymedia raided by the FBI and gag order placed on discussion of
> the issue
>
> Declan,
> Please sound the alarm. The FBI has chosen another target. They raided the
> Indymedia center on sat 04/21/01.
> In the process they have placed a gag order on indymedia.
> the story is here :
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0424-04.htm
> and
> here:
> http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=36185&group=webcast
>
> Thanks
> A very concerned citizen
>
> *********
>
> http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/19980_security24.shtml
>
> FBI raids media center
> Stolen security plan for Quebec meeting was put on Internet here
>
> Tuesday, April 24, 2001
>
> By PAUL SHUKOVSKY
> SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
>
> Security plans intended to protect Western leaders attending a trade
> summit in Quebec City were stolen from a car there over the weekend
> and posted, hours later, on a Seattle-based Web site, authorities said
> yesterday.
>
> On Saturday night, FBI agents raided the offices of the Independent
> Media Center in downtown Seattle, seizing computer-log records,
> according to federal sources.
>
> No arrests have been made.
>
> Center spokeswoman Sherry Herndon said she and other staff have been
> told "not to talk about" the incident under threat of being held in
> contempt of court.
>
> She referred inquiries to attorney Bob Goodman of the Center for
> Constitutional Rights in New York City, who also declined comment.
>
> He said the court order that was served on the IMC "contains a fairly
> broad gag order; therefore, we cannot talk."
>
> ...
>
> No mention of the FBI raid could be found yesterday on the IMC Web
> site. But the organization's home page carried a boldface note
> stating, "Everything is fine at the Seattle IMC. We will keep you
> posted on any further developments."
>
> ...
>
> *********
>
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> You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact.
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From: "Ben" <justbenjamin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fw: IMC responds to post about FBI visit and court gag order
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:26:50 +0100
----- Original Message -----
from: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
to: <politech@politechbot.com>
cc: <micah@indymedia.org>; <paulshukovsky@seattle-pi.com>;
<editorial@seattle.indymedia.org>; <news@seattle.indymedia.org>
sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 9:51 PM
subject: FC: IMC responds to post about FBI visit and court gag order
> **********
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:30:23 -0700
> From: Micah Anderson <micah@indymedia.org>
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> Cc: wdcowley@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
> Message-ID: <20010424123023.E1873@riseup.net>
> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010424143049.02037e60@mail.well.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline
>
> ARG! You have no idea how much I laughed when I read the Seattle PI story,
> it is so grossly inaccurate it HURTS. Don't worry, the IMC has not been
> raided, nothing has been taken, the FBI did visit, but DAMN people freak out
> about the most random rumors... Please make it known that this PI article is
> so full of errors it cannot be trusted ("Sherry" - they can't even spell her
> name right), we are speaking with the PI for a retraction and corrections.
>
> Micah
> IMC
>
> **********
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:45:55 -0700
> From: Micah Anderson <micah@indymedia.org>
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> Subject: Re: FBI raids Seattle journalist collective, delivers gag order
>
> the imc has been served with an order, the contents of which are covered by
> a protective order issued by the court, which essentially means we can't
> talk about it. we're consulting with our lawyer in nyc as well as local
> counsel, both of which are avidly opposed to any violation of the bill of
> rights.
>
> the situation is under control and we'll be passing along information as
> soon as we are able, once we are able to not purjure ourselves due to the
> gag order, all will be clear, but the IMC has not been compromised in any
> way, no RAID happened. We had a visit, but it was strictly to serve the
> order. It is in no way as bad as it sounds.
>
> Trust me, the full information will be available when we can make it so, but
> at this point we have to make sure that we aren't harming ourselves by
> revealing. It is simply a matter of making sure we don't harm the IMC as an
> entity by purjuring ourselves before the court. Unfortunately this sort of
> silence and secrecy is what makes the left paranoid (rightly so, see the
> FTAA text for a good example), and claims to be made that may or may not be
> true. Our highest priority is to make it so we can set the record straight
> and not harm ourselves by doing so, but it is safe to say that things are
> just fine, there is no need for fear, and definately no need for rumors.
>
> Micah
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > So what *did* happen, to set the record straight?
> >
> > -Declan
>
> **********
>
>
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