Benjamin Geer on Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:54:28 +0100 (CET) |
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On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:29:28 +0200, z3118338@student.unsw.edu.au <z3118338@student.unsw.edu.au> wrote: > And that you will not > entertain (as usual) any "transitional forms" other than those > expounded by your high priests of the GPL of the CC. But I will and I do! See the Open Organizations project (http://www.open-organizations.org) where our aim is to identify, catalogue and critique all sorts of transitional forms. I tend not to mention them on nettime because I feel as if they fall outside the scope of this list. > well isnt the commons just a hang over form the public/private thinking of > modernity. It predates modernity; in English law, the Statute of Merton (1235) recognised rights regarding the use of common lands. You could see the idea of the commons, in that context, as characteristic of a transitional form of society. Formerly, population density was low and most land was open for use by anyone, much as it was in North America before the arrival of Europeans. The manorial system introduced private ownership of more and more land, but the obligation to leave some land for the "commoners" remained, and was only gradually lost as common lands were enclosed, mainly from the 16th century onwards. Seventeenth-century antiauthoritarian political movements understood this (as described by Christopher Hill in _The World Turned Upside Down_) but were largely powerless to oppose the transformation of land into a commodity. > I am not really interested in the idea of building such a commons within > capital - one that is free as in speech and not free as in beer. I think we have to build what we can now, in order to make possible a transition to a world without capital. Production can't be cost-free in any economy. Somehow the producers need to eat. But even in a capitalist economy, we can find ways to support knowledge production so that knowledge can be available as cheaply as possible. And in practice, free-as-in-speech tends to mean very inexpensive. You can have all of Wikipedia for the cost of the Internet access needed to download it. In Argentina, workers are occupying factories and running them as cooperatives. In Brazil, landless farmers are occupying land and farming it cooperatively. These are spaces that, while they exist within a capitalist world economy, also implement, to an extent, another kind of power and other kinds of economic relationships. Shouldn't they (and we) also try to create similar spaces for the production of knowledge? Maybe all these spaces, taken together, could be part of the groundwork for transitional forms of society. > If we have nothing in common, iif for example someone rejects > the ethics by which another seeks to build a just world why would I want > them to be able to take what I have in common with others and propertise > it to turn it back on me inverted why and for would I want to support > the process of expropriation that capital seeks to manage and control by > adding to the commons. I agree with you. But this is exactly what the GPL prevents. It prevents someone from turning your knowledge into private property and selling it back to you. > p. 188 The legal justification of private ownership is > undermined by the common social nature of production. Free Software is produced by a common social process, in which the result is, in effect, not privately owned by anyone. > (to quote Moglen: "The GPL is a straightforward capitalistic proposition") I think he's mistaken about that. See: http://www.gnupauk.org/DiskusiJa/PrijedloZi/BothDevilAndGnu "GNU General Public License protects the freedom to use and to develop, but at the same time creates a strategic collective subject..." > And to live the passage we don't need a licence (a property form or > contract), we need ethics. It's true that in a capitalist society, a licence is a contract for the use of property. But even when we think about constructing a non-capitalist world, we need to think about some of the questions that licences try to answer. What modes of production and consumption are acceptable? Literate societies express their answers to these questions in written documents: constitutions, charters, laws. The GPL encodes a basic ethical principle: you may use what others have produced, but you may not appropriate it for yourself. If you add to it, your production must become part of the collective process of production; you must share your contribution as the original work was shared with you. These are principles that could be part of the basic normative framework of a non-capitalist society. > why not experiment with ethics instead of > property and the contractual form?? That's the focus of my current work, but it's in its very early stages. If you hunt around on the Open Organizations project web site, you'll find it. If you want to discuss ethics, I invite you to that project's mailing list, since that discussion is probably off-topic for nettime. Ben # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net