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onto <onto@riseup.net> Re: <nettime> The Ghost in the Network "hugofolk" <hugofolk@tiscali.it> The Myth of Freedom - Protocol of War Miguel Caetano <mafonsocaetano@mail.telepac.pt> Re: <nettime> The Ghost in the Network - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:08:55 -0500 From: onto <onto@riseup.net> Subject: Re: <nettime> The Ghost in the Network > I wasn't sure until the end if these guys were on Aristotle's side or > not. But their resounding call to "stop the world, I want to get off" > makes it clear that they share his reactionary conservatism. It is worth > recalling that the great philosopher was tutor to the leader of those > Macedonian thugs who finally pulled the plug on the first millennium > BC's drive towards urban commercial civilisation and was the godfather > of catholic apologists for the military agrarian complex like Aquinas. > European socialism has long been in thrall to their anti-market ideology > and this repudiation of an open source approach to network society is no > different. This is a conservative piece? Arguing against the two dominant strands of political critiques, the open and the closed, the free and the repressed, or, in cold war terms, the West and the East, does not seem to be conservative, but rather, to reemphasize how little political analysis has managed to leave behind its neoliberal democratic anti-communist baggage. Its nice to read a piece that goes further than denouncing repression and control and praising freedom and openess without questioning the common discursive formations that each structure arises within. I'm not sure that a critique of bodies and networks will be able to escape such dominant historical inheritances though, but at least it recognizes it. Yet, anyone who looks to military advisers and political consultants (even if they are philosophers as well) for advice on how to free ourselves from 'control' is a bit misguided. There are countless examples of communities in the past and present which articulate different methods of community, freedom, and safety through their cultural practices. However, it usually takes knowledge of at least one indigenous language, much humility, and much time. caminar preguntando onto - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "hugofolk" <hugofolk@tiscali.it> Subject: The Myth of Freedom - Protocol of War Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 00:28:46 +0200 "To be or not to be, this i s the problem" Autonomy, security, control, freedom Bullshits! The so called comunication network is an artefact, it's an artificial reality. Reality is a construction, a techno-social, info-sexual cosmos formed- informed from chaos, our supreme king and sovereign. There is no freedom in this artificial cosmos, because we, the reators, are slaves, to the rhythm, of flesh and blood. To the rhythm of stars and planets, of the eternal return. The so called Internet Governance is, at the same way of pseudo-democratic governance, only a chimera, it's just an illusion. No way to control. What rules is chaos, destruction, madness, alienation, death. The death of art. The perfect crime. The history of mankind is a history of madness, a history of violence. The history of the art is the history of a perfect murder. What we can do? Only to die, like heroes. P.S. hugofolk is a "info-platonic" researcher, a collective intellectual "info-hacktivist", a social-artificial mind, a spiritual body, a ghost in the shell of the global village. A memetic warrior, fighting the law of the man-beast, the eaters of souls and satanic side of science. WAR IS THE MESSAGE a protocol of war the time has come - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:47:33 +0100 From: Miguel Caetano <mafonsocaetano@mail.telepac.pt> Subject: Re: <nettime> The Ghost in the Network Felix Stalder wrote: > I think this equation of "protocol = control", which is also the core of >Galloway's stimulating book [1], is fundamentally flawed, because it mixes >terms in ways that is not helpful to a critical political analysis. > >A protocol, technical or social, is a series of standards which regulate >how different entities can interact without the establishment of a formal >hierarchy. I read Galloway's "Protocol" and also find it very interesting, despite of its main thesis that Protocol is equal to control. In fact, the part I most liked was the second one, called "Protocol Futures", which refers to practices like tactical media, hacking and cyberfeminism. Contrary to Galloway, I think that these practices, which he sees "as phenomena that are able to exploit flaws in protological and proprietary command and control (in order) to sculpt protocol and make it better suited to people's real desires" (p. 176), are a contradiction of his own thesis, a proof that protocol doesn't restricts freedom, since they're intrinsic to protocol and not external. They originate in it, because and not despite of it. What happens is that Galloway is overemphasizing the power/meaning of a technological concept such as "protocol", for academical/theoretical/rhetorical purposes or whatever. When doing this, one runs the risk of excessive theorization or of ending up adopting a neo-luddite type of technological determinism, like some new Neil Postman or Heidegger. Maybe before we do something so drastically such as "unplug from the grid" only to reach the conclusion that all our friends are online "out there" and be depressed about it ;-), we should be more pragmatic and read what the Cluetrain Manifesto guys, Doc Searls and David Weinberger, say about protocol in "A World of Ends - What the Internet is and How to Stop Mistaking it for Something Else" (www.worldofends.com): In the second point of the text, named "The Internet isn't a thing. It's an agreement", they write "The Internet is a way for all the things that call themselves networks to coexist and work together. It's an _inter-net_work. Literally. What makes the Net /inter/ is the fact that it's just a protocol -- the Internet Protocol, to be exact. A protocol is an agreement about how things work together This protocol doesn't specify what people can do with the network, what they can build on its edges, what they can say, who gets to talk. The protocol simply says: If you want to swap bits with others, here's how. If you want to put a computer --or a cell phone or a refrigerator --on the network, you have to agree to the agreement that is the Internet." So, it is "because the Internet is an agreement", they state in seventh point, "that it doesn't belong to any one person or group. Of course, their thinking is excessively optimistic, even utopic, if not downright naive and illusory, when they write that "to connect to the Internet is to agree to grow value on its edges. And then something really interesting happens. We are all connected equally. Distance doesn't matter. The obstacles fall away and for the first time the human need to connect can be realized without artificial barriers. More ahead, in the point 8.c they argue that there are two ways to make the Net better: "First, you can build a service on the edge of the Net that's available to anyone who wants. Make it free, make people pay for it, put out a tin cup, whatever.Second, you can do something more important: enable a whole new set of end-of-Net services by coming up with a new agreement. That's how email was created. And newsgroups. And even the Web. The creators of these services didn't simply come up with end-based applications, and they sure didn't tinker with the Internet protocol itself. Instead, they came up with new protocols that use the Internet as it exists, the way the agreement about how to encode images on paper enabled fax machines to use telephone lines without requiring any changes to the phone system itself. Remember, though, that if you come up with a new agreement, for it to generate value as quickly as the Internet itself did, it needs to be open, unowned, and for everyone." We can conclude, in a critical mood, that this is an example of the typical Californian Ideology discourse: anarcho-capitalistic, ultra-liberal and defender of free markets. But looking pragmatically into it, we can also say that this type of procedure has been at the root of the Internet and has been the philosophy behind its exponential growth in less than four decades. Still today, the Internet and its protocol(s) embodies much of the hacker culture and ethic which gave birth to the free software and open source movements. to the P2P networks and to wikis and other practices of resistance against the command & control logic of the States and Big Business Miguel Afonso Caetano mafonsocaetano@mail.telepac.pt Odivelas - Portugal M.A. Student in Communication, Culture and Information Technology iSCTE - Higher Institute for Labour and Business Studies . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net