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   Re: <nettime> publication of "Jyllands-Posten" cartoons is not...               
     "Jody Berland" <jody.berland@sympatico.ca>                                      

   Re: <nettime> publication of "Jyllands-Posten" cartoons is not...               
     Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de>                                     



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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:11:09 -0500
From: "Jody Berland" <jody.berland@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: <nettime> publication of "Jyllands-Posten" cartoons is not...

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this 
right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either 
alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his 
religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance" (United 
Nations 1948).

What we need to ask from an ethical point of view is not whether we are 
defending our own freedom of speech but whether we are impinging on 
another's.

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Florian Cramer" <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
To: "Jody Berland" <jody.berland@sympatico.ca>
Cc: <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: <nettime> publication of "Jyllands-Posten" cartoons is not...


> Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 um 18:29:00 Uhr (-0500) schrieb Jody 
> Berland:
>
>> It seems to me that in the midst of this intelligent conversation, the
>> elephant sitting in the room is being missed.  Freedom of speech amounts 
>> to
>> a kind of religion in American culture.
>
> I am not American. And I live in country that, as a whole, didn't have
> something that remotely qualified as free speech before 1989. Even today,
> freedom of speech and expression is severely limited over here,
> with blasphemy laws, film and video game censorship, an excessive

<...>

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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:04:29 +0100
From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> publication of "Jyllands-Posten" cartoons is not...

Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 um 13:11:09 Uhr (-0500) schrieb Jody Berland:
 
> What we need to ask from an ethical point of view is not whether we are 
> defending our own freedom of speech but whether we are impinging on 
> another's.

The Danish caricatures might have been a lot of bad things - but
certainly not impinging on the freedom of speech of Muslims. 

- -F

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