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Re: <nettime> Eternal September Newmedia@aol.com Dmytri Kleiner <dk@telekommunisten.net> "Erich M." <me@quintessenz.org> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: Newmedia@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: <nettime> Eternal September Dmytri: > They might be our last hope. You might want to discuss that with some striking platinum miners. > Rather than embracing the free, open, platforms > where net.culture was born, like Usenet, EMail, IRC, > etc, Capital embraced the Web. You want free & open, then try 4CHAN . . . The "Net" has always been about *surveillance* (with ARPANET being initially funded by a social psychologist who was interested in reading the emails of the scientists who first signed up) and about DESIRE (with AOL's early success driven by "Hot Chat" and followed by becoming the uber-cache for the online porn industry.) PANOPTICON and DESIRE are natural partners. As were English *ideologists* Jeremy Bentham and Bernard de Mandeville. Capitalism depends on this partnership. Have you dealt with this crucial relationship in your writings and travels? Mark Stahlman Brooklyn NY In a message dated 9/4/2012 11:12:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dk@telekommunisten.net writes: Last month was a long and busy month that started in Canada and ended in South Africa. <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:07:18 +0200 From: Dmytri Kleiner <dk@telekommunisten.net> Subject: Re: <nettime> Eternal September On 04.09.2012 17:41, Newmedia@aol.com wrote: >Dmytri: > >>They might be our last hope. > >You might want to discuss that with some striking platinum miners. Indeed. >>Rather than embracing the free, open, platforms >>where net.culture was born, like Usenet, EMail, IRC, >>etc, Capital embraced the Web. > >You want free & open, then try 4CHAN . . . 4CHAN is a centrally controlled platform. Only free and open so long as it's operators permit it, and easily monitorable. >The "Net" has always been about *surveillance* (with ARPANET being >initially funded by a social psychologist who was interested in >reading the emails of the scientists who first signed up) ARAPNET was founded before internet email existed and long after several host based email systems where already widely in use where plenty of scientist emails could already be read. I don't think email was a planned service of the ARPANET, but something that a user (a contractor) made that caught on because it was useful. Not being host based, it would have been difficult for said social psychologist to read internet email not sent to his MTA, so it's more likely a snooping sociologists would rather there never was an APRANET and the scientists where stuck using host based systems like CTSS. >PANOPTICON and DESIRE are natural partners. As were English >*ideologists* Jeremy Bentham and Bernard de Mandeville. > >Capitalism depends on this partnership. Have you dealt with this >crucial relationship in your writings and travels? Capitalism depends on controlling circulation of things for which demand exists or can be made to exist. Not sure if you remember, but we met at a party in your apartment in the late nineties. It was fun. Thanks for inviting me. Maybe we'll meet again one day. -- Dmytri Kleiner Venture Communist - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:32:58 +0200 From: "Erich M." <me@quintessenz.org> Subject: Re: <nettime> Eternal September On 09/04/2012 07:50 PM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: > The Jargon File defines "The September that never ends" as "All time > since September 1993. One of the seasonal rhythms of the Usenet used > to be the annual September influx of clueless newbies who, lacking > any sense of netiquette, made a general nuisance of themselves. > This coincided with people starting college, getting their first > internet accounts, and plunging in without bothering to learn what > was acceptable. These relatively small drafts of newbies could be > assimilated within a few months. But in September 1993, AOL users > became able to post to Usenet, nearly overwhelming the old-timers' > capacity to acculturate them ACK & roger to this panoramic view in most of the points. The "AOLosers" often heartily flamed becaus of flooding the groups with bad karma. As you mentioned facebook. Compare the performance of the fuqbook stock to the performance of then superstar AOL after 2000 on the NASDAQ. IPOs of both were at a time, when each of the companies sported a very large customer base, both on top of exploiting an already ageing biz concept. Cannibalizing slightly older commercial networks first and acquiring even more customers So it goes. Diversification is long underway. The current situation will not persist. gruesse Erich M.-- http://moechel.com/kontakt.html PGP KEY 0xEA7DC174 fingerprint 02AA B2E7 C609 307D 34FE 4B5C ACC6 A796 EA7D C174 --... ...-- -.. . . .-. .. -.-. .... --- . ...-- . -- -... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org