Re: <nettime> the leopard 2.0 - nothing changes in italy and the mummy wins (...

[Jim <jim@citymined.org>]

I'm a bit at a loss here, cari Italiani, help me out. As anarchist by  
conviction, I think every initiative that wrests power from those who  
usurp it to then distribute it, should be welcomed. I also think that  
a future democracy will have to use the spread and speed of computer- 
mediated and online technology to tap into the skills and experiences  
[or wisdom] of the crowd. [City Mine(d) is about to start  
experimenting with what we call "augmented democracy" at a local  
level, but liquid democracy or delegative democracy are much further  
developed]. Seen from London, the difference in strategy between  
Pirate Parties and the 5star movement did not look so different.  
Granted, Grillo is a clown, but that seems to be more of a condition  
than a problem for entering in Italian politics. So where did it go  
wrong ? Is the 5star movement only paying lip service to new forms of  
democracy and is it just another vehicle to get to power ? Is having a  
figurehead necessary, or contradictory to new forms of politics ? And  
thinking outside the Grillo-grid to be also relevant for Pirate  
Parties: would implementing a new form of democracy happen through  
elections, or rather through Gramscian strategies of taking key  
positions in society and then changing the game rather than  becoming  
best at a game you don't agree with in the first place? As I said, I'm  
confused, thoughts are welcome.

Jim

On 25 Apr 2013, at 12:00, nettime-l-request@mail.kein.org wrote:

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>   1. Re: the leopard 2.0 - nothing changes in italy and the	mummy
>      wins (... (Lorenzo Tripodi)
>   2. Unconditional Basic Income (UBI) (Jean-No?l Montagn?)
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