Alex Foti on Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:15:29 +0200 (CEST) |
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Re: <nettime> Gramsci nettime-l Digest, Vol 132, Issue 6 |
your caricature of gramsci's postwar reception should then also include an attack on Stuart Hall and any kind of cultural Marxism. Also i would like to know what is this fabled political economy that we should never violate - the falling rate of profit? On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:52 PM, ari <ari@kein.org> wrote: > I never got this argument. > Gramsci was an open Marxist, thus open to the abuse of all the closed > Marxists around. He kept his ear to the ground and during the rise of > Fascism, he was quite isolated and marginalised by his contemporary closed > Marxists because, amongst other things, he was trying to seriously > understand the phenomenon without jumping to facile conclusions about the > working class and its true destiny or false consciousness. He could see well > that there was no true destiny: the revolution didn't happen, or rather, a > revolution was happening, but not of the sort Marxists like him wished for. > And all their careful work of political agitation was ultimately serving the > wrong causes. But analytically, Gramsci was in agreement with Lenin that all > you have is class formations. Nothing is static or prefigured. Everything > historical. This earned him enemies from both sides, but the genuine > sensitivity to changing subjects around him also earned him followers on the > ground. There is no notion of hegemony, in Gramsci, that isn't rooted in > class. > Jump from the 1930s to the 1980s and you have the Laclau and Mouffe > travesty. The pair put forward their celebration of identity politics on the > back of this open Marxist. What I am reading wherever I see this > evisceration of Gramsci's notion of hegemony is really a commentary on > Laclau and Mouffe. I can join critics of Laclau and Mouffe anytime. They > were useless to Marxism and quite pernicious influences on the new left, > precisely for allowing all considerations on the political economy of class > formation to fall out of view and interest. But when I see their ugly > painting of Gramsci as a post-class cultural theorists I must object. There > is no such thing. > > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Quick Review.. (Florian Cramer) >> 2. Re: Quick Review.. (David Garcia) >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 00:58:33 +0200 >> From: Florian Cramer <flrncrmr@gmail.com> >> To: Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com> >> Cc: a moderated mailing list for net criticism >> <nettime-l@mail.kein.org> >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Quick Review.. >> Message-ID: >> >> <CADCyihQAMJs1snGY00oDB4icKenW+-RX2ESBoeZXbUz6jhwkXA@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Thanks, David - as I said in the discussion in Berlin, Stewart and I ended >> up >> in a weird place where we practically taught the "Alt-Right" its own >> history. >> One shouldn't read too much into its grasp of Gramsci though. This is what >> Milo >> Yiannopolous wrote about him in the original manuscript of his book >> 'Dangerous' (that Simon & Schuster ended up not publishing): >> >> And so, in the 1920s, the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci decided that the >> time had come for a new form of revolution -- one based on culture, not >> class. According to Gramsci, the reason why the proletariat had failed to >> rise up was because old, conservative ideas like loyalty to one's country, >> family values, and religion held too much sway in working-class >> communities. >> If that sounds familiar to Obama's comment about guns and religion, that's >> because it should. His line of thinking, as we shall see, is directly >> descended from the ideological tradition of Gramsci. Gramsci argued that >> as >> a >> precursor to revolution, the old traditions of the west -- or the >> 'cultural >> hegemony,' as he called it -- would have to be systematically broken down. >> To >> do so, Gramsci argued that "proletarian" intellectuals should seek to >> challenge the dominance of traditionalism in education and the media, and >> create a new revolutionary culture. Gramsci's ideas would prove >> phenomenally >> influential. If you've ever wondered why forced to take diversity or >> gender >> studies courses at university, or why your professors all seem to hate >> western civilization ... Well ' ..new you knew who to blame Gramsci. >> >> (Because of the lawsuit, the manuscript is publicly available here: >> >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjc0n5dll244o2w/Milo%20Y%20book%20with%20edits.pdf?dl=0 >> ) >> -F >> -- >> > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: