Alex Foti on Tue, 11 Sep 2018 13:15:29 +0200 (CEST)


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Re: <nettime> Gramsci nettime-l Digest, Vol 132, Issue 6


your caricature of gramsci's postwar reception should then also
include an attack on Stuart Hall and any kind of cultural Marxism.
Also i would like to know what is this fabled political economy that
we should never violate - the falling rate of profit?

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 12:52 PM, ari <ari@kein.org> wrote:
> I never got this argument.
> Gramsci was an open Marxist, thus open to the abuse of all the closed
> Marxists around. He kept his ear to the ground and during the rise of
> Fascism, he was quite isolated and marginalised by his contemporary closed
> Marxists because, amongst other things, he was trying to seriously
> understand the phenomenon without jumping to facile conclusions about the
> working class and its true destiny or false consciousness. He could see well
> that there was no true destiny: the revolution didn't happen, or rather, a
> revolution was happening, but not of the sort Marxists like him wished for.
> And all their careful work of political agitation was ultimately serving the
> wrong causes. But analytically, Gramsci was in agreement with Lenin that all
> you have is class formations. Nothing is static or prefigured. Everything
> historical. This earned him enemies from both sides, but the genuine
> sensitivity to changing subjects around him also earned him followers on the
> ground. There is no notion of hegemony, in Gramsci, that isn't rooted in
> class.
> Jump from the 1930s to the 1980s and you have the Laclau and Mouffe
> travesty. The pair put forward their celebration of identity politics on the
> back of this open Marxist. What I am reading wherever I see this
> evisceration of Gramsci's notion of hegemony is really a commentary on
> Laclau and Mouffe. I can join critics of Laclau and Mouffe anytime. They
> were useless to Marxism and quite pernicious influences on the new left,
> precisely for allowing all considerations on the political economy of class
> formation to fall out of view and interest. But when I see their ugly
> painting of Gramsci as a post-class cultural theorists I must object. There
> is no such thing.
>
>
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>>    1. Re: Quick Review.. (Florian Cramer)
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>> Thanks, David - as I said in the discussion in Berlin, Stewart and I ended
>> up
>> in a weird place where we practically taught the "Alt-Right" its own
>> history.
>> One shouldn't read too much into its grasp of Gramsci though. This is what
>> Milo
>> Yiannopolous wrote about him in the original manuscript of his book
>> 'Dangerous' (that Simon & Schuster ended up not publishing):
>>
>> And so, in the 1920s, the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci decided that the
>> time had come for a new form of revolution -- one based on culture, not
>> class. According to Gramsci, the reason why the proletariat had failed to
>> rise up was because old, conservative ideas like loyalty to one's country,
>> family values, and religion held too much sway in working-class
>> communities.
>> If that sounds familiar to Obama's comment about guns and religion, that's
>> because it should. His line of thinking, as we shall see, is directly
>> descended from the ideological tradition of Gramsci. Gramsci argued that
>> as
>> a
>> precursor to revolution, the old traditions of the west -- or the
>> 'cultural
>> hegemony,' as he called it -- would have to be systematically broken down.
>> To
>> do so, Gramsci argued that "proletarian" intellectuals should seek to
>> challenge the dominance of traditionalism in education and the media, and
>> create a new revolutionary culture. Gramsci's ideas would prove
>> phenomenally
>> influential. If you've ever wondered why forced to take diversity or
>> gender
>> studies courses at university, or why your professors all seem to hate
>> western civilization ... Well ' ..new you knew who to blame Gramsci.
>>
>> (Because of the lawsuit, the manuscript is publicly available here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjc0n5dll244o2w/Milo%20Y%20book%20with%20edits.pdf?dl=0
>> )
>> -F
>> --
>>
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