Re: <nettime> nettime-l Digest, Vol 141, Issue 66

On 2019. Jun 30. 12:00 +0200, nettime-l-request@mail.kein.org, wrote:

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
(carlo von lynX)
2. Re: Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can change it.
(Molly Hankwitz)

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:11:47 +0200
From: carlo von lynX <lynX@time.to.get.psyced.org>
To: nettime-l@kein.org
Subject: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can
change it.
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I'll keep it short as I've said it before some years ago?
I think the pro-active moderation was the whole specialty
of nettime, fostering high quality and inclusiveness. Since
you dropped that (possibly because it was too much work, so
I'm not blaming) the list slowly lost its focus just as all
the sociologic research I look into predicted? maybe Pit
can give it the original pitch back? Hugs from NK, C.

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:23:18 -0700
From: Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com>
To: carlo von lynX <lynX@time.to.get.psyced.org>
Cc: nettime-l@kein.org
Subject: Re: <nettime> Nettime is in bad shape. Let's see if we can
change it.
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Carlo and nettime!

Thank you for this, Carlo. I could not agree more, the deliberate effort of
mods to put material that is provocative and worthy on the list...BUT, it
may also be, and this is where mods could also help...that the great net
debates have disappeared or died out. There are new debates, but who is
framing them relative to networks.

The question comes up more and more - where is the whole idea of networks
that was once? Answer: sorry, social media has everyone blissed out on
their own screen.

The great debates that enlivened networks of the 90s, have become muddled
to the point that "networks" per se don't seem to carry much weight online
- now its the app, its the website - which don't always reflect a living
community of net-users as we know...or maybe we are imagining networks
differently than before and that does not help. Common interests which
drove the formulation of networks and network 'flows' seem to have been
replaced by something else. Who is the we of any network now...

I don't know...that was my feeling when I read this. So, yes, we need the
heavies, maybe...to frame the debates so we can bat our own balls back and
forth and to and fro on nettime.

Molly

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 7:12 AM carlo von lynX <lynX@time.to.get.psyced.org>
wrote:

I'll keep it short as I've said it before some years ago?
I think the pro-active moderation was the whole specialty
of nettime, fostering high quality and inclusiveness. Since
you dropped that (possibly because it was too much work, so
I'm not blaming) the list slowly lost its focus just as all
the sociologic research I look into predicted? maybe Pit
can give it the original pitch back? Hugs from NK, C.

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