Re: <nettime> Not One

[Keith Sanborn <mrzero@panix.com>]

Not a precise match between modernity and bourgeois democracy, but close enough to provoke reflection. Still, while bourgeois democracy and fascism may both show aspects of modernity, such as rationalization of “production” and its corollary destruction, that does not make them ethically identical. Roosevelt does not equal Hitler.

> On Oct 10, 2020, at 3:04 PM, mp <mp@aktivix.org> wrote:
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> On 10/10/2020 19:45, Keith Sanborn wrote:
>> Again the "always already.”
>> 
>> What if fascism is not a mask? The voices of the dead should be listened to.
> 
> Waves and particle, apples and oranges. My way, your way, anything goes
> tonight.
> 
> Zygmunt Bauman, who is dead and spend considerable time developing a
> voice that made sense of the Holocaust, to which many students of
> Sociology have been subjected, investigated the relations between
> fascism and modernity, and I wonder if he would readily agree that, as
> you write, "..there is a qualitative and quantitative difference between
> bourgeois democracy and fascism..".
> 
> Here from a random blog:
> 
> "...In Modernity and the Holocaust, Zygmunt Bauman contends that the
> Holocaust should not simply be understood as an accident along the road
> to modernity. Rather, Bauman argues that modernity provided the
> “necessary conditions” (Bauman, 13) for its undertaking. As Bauman puts
> it, the Holocaust was “a legitimate resident in the house of modernity”
> (Bauman, 17). To support this contention, Bauman suggests that the
> principles of rationality and efficiency which so uniquely characterize
> the modern era may have had, in the case of the Holocaust, some
> unintended consequences: “at no point of its long and tortuous execution
> did the Holocaust come into conflict with the principles of rationality.
> The ‘Final Solution’ did not clash at any stage with the rational
> pursuit of efficient, optimal goal-implementation” (Bauman, 17)...".
> 
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