| Stefan Heidenreich on Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:38:50 +0100 (CET) |
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| Re: <nettime> what does monetary value indicate? |
could it be, that it's a kind of hoax?Like: two bubbles trying trying to keep each other up by leaning against one another: a fragile bitcoin market on the one side and a dysfunctional art market on the other side.
with the simple idea idea to create those crazy prices and to to lure luring real world money into the game.
and to get back to Florian's initial question: why not stick with the classic formula: money comes as a promise to pay - money. it's a recursive numerical operation under risk.ontologically speaking: money IS not. but it can always flow once the recursive operation is being intiated. one can try to hoard it. but that doesn't make it a BEING. it may only become operational once it goes back to the flow [in case you find a paying successor to keep the recursion going].
Am 12.03.2021 um 17:57 schrieb Rachel O' Dwyer:
I haven’t followed the latest surge in NFTs as much as I’d like, but I wrote this, among other things, on cryptokitties, NFTs and art as a derivative https://circaartmagazine.net/a-celestial-cyberdimension-art-tokens-and-the-artwork-as-derivative/ <https://circaartmagazine.net/a-celestial-cyberdimension-art-tokens-and-the-artwork-as-derivative/>I’m interested in why now though, beyond growing the speculation in crypto.the past five years has seen a huge rise in art as an asset class and art is seen as a good hedge against market volatility. Tokens create situations where these art investments have greater liquidity.But I'm interested in why everyday users are interested in NFTs. Is it pure desperation and precarity - you're in debt, you probably won't own a house so why not make a bet and invest in a token that might win big. Finn Brunton and I were talking about this last week for an upcoming issue of Neural.On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:18 PM patrice riemens <patrice@xs4all.nl <mailto:patrice@xs4all.nl>> wrote:__ Aloha, Let me say that First Dog on the Moon has, not for te first time, the definitive, if not answer, then at last commentary on the issue: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/cryptoart-what-is-it-and-can-you-eat-it <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/12/cryptoart-what-is-it-and-can-you-eat-it> Enjoy! have a nice day and don't become fungible! p+7D! ps: ALL FDotMoon cartoons (& merchandise too! ;-) on the website: https://firstdogonthemoon.com.au/ <https://firstdogonthemoon.com.au/> (It's Australian, oeuf corse ...)Op 11-03-2021 18:19 schreef Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com <mailto:bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com>>: I can't answer the second question, but as to the first I believe that there are three distinct forms of money that currently operate in a hierarchy: -- Infinite money which is produced and deregulated in the financial markets through the manipulation of information -- Institutional money which is produced and regulated within national frames by governments seeking to stabilize social reproduction -- Sweat money which is produced on the ground through the exploitation of labor paid at the bear minimum of survivability The last form of money is the most extensive one, it's the most common coin, the basis of most livelihoods on earth. Institutional money, however, has been carefully decoupled from sweat money; and infinite money has been decoupled from institutional money in its turn. Institutional money began to be produced through Keynesian management of national economies from the 30s onward, it's inseparable from social democracy. Infinite money started up after the postwar gold standard was abandoned in 1971, and became what it is today with the introduction of computerized trading. What does infinite money mean to its owners? Financial capital is power when it is applied to institutions or labor processes. However it can also be used for status displays, what Veblen called "conspicuous consumption." So you have to bring art back in. For better and mostly worse, "high" culture remains the noisy ghost at the top of the capitalist pyramid. best, Brian On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:47 AM Felix Stalder <felix@openflows.com <mailto:felix@openflows.com>> wrote: I'm sure many have followed the NFT art saga over the last couple of months and seen today's headline that somebody just paid $ 69,346,250 for a NFT on a blockchain, meta-data to claim ownership of the "originalcopy" of a digital art work. https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/first-open-beeple/beeple-b-1981-1/112924 <https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/first-open-beeple/beeple-b-1981-1/112924> I don't want to start a discussion on the revolutionary vs reactionary character of this emerging art market. All of that has already been said. If you want a close approximation of my perspective, I refer you to this: https://everestpipkin.medium.com/but-the-environmental-issues-with-cryptoart-1128ef72e6a3 <https://everestpipkin.medium.com/but-the-environmental-issues-with-cryptoart-1128ef72e6a3> What I'm more interested in here is to ask two things. What -- after a decade of quantitative easing and crypto-currencies rising into the stratosphere -- monetary value is indicating for the segment that profited the most from these developments and what does that mean for the rest of us? And, assuming that this is not a cartoon version of a potlatch where wasting resources serves to put rivals to shame, how many different scams -- money laundering would be an obvious contender -- are being layered on top of one other to create this? Quite puzzled. 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