Re: <nettime> Moving Nettime to the Fediverse

I like nettime for its long-form discourse (long enough and short enough to read online).

There is also a longitudinal sense that is absent elsewhere. I share concerns that this might collapse into the aforementioned sphere of extinction and should perhaps be preserved/conserved in a living sense rather than only in an archival framing.

What is missing is the dialogic aspect that used to occur in mailing lists that social media platforms *can* foster but at the expense of deeper reflection.

I wonder if the point made about boredom or perhaps just exhausted energy with the same pattern repeating itself ad infinitum lies at the root of this and if there is or may be a new generation of mods (post-mods) who might be willing to step in and of course with every change comes another spectrum.

The repetitive patterns do seem to work against any generative discourse now taking place -- so yes, an alternative to the present sounds welcome, but not to throw away the baby, fossilised though it may seem at times or stagnant until shaken and stirred.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 at 11:25, Joseph Rabie <joe@overmydeadbody.org> wrote:

Beyond the comparison between email and social media lies that between computer and telephone. While some forms of social media were created for computer web browsing before the arrival of (so-called) smart phones, today the latter constitute the favoured medium of delivery for social media. Maybe this explains the generational gap between those who entered digital culture via computers, and those who entered via both.

One does have the impression that the telephone functions more directly as an appendice for the ego than the computer, and perhaps this explains why social media tends (but without generalising) towards a greater level of posturing and consequent potential for toxicity.

The 2000 character limit proposed for Mastodon implies that it is more orientated towards telephone than computer. Maybe such a limit is good because it canvasses for brevity, which is a virtue, but it also forces simplification or schematisation of complex discourse, for lack of sufficient words, which is damaging.

("Traditional" discussion forum interfaces like the Well were great.)

Joe.

Le 30 nov. 2022 à 23:50, Jon Lebkowsky <jonl@weblogsky.com> a écrit :

There's a discontinuity in social media posts, and quite a bit of attention-shifting, so Mastodon might not be the best solution - though migration away from email does make sense. I find that I don't follow email lists well - that might just be me, but I get so many thousands of pieces of email at this point, much of it escapes my attention.

I always thought nettime would better fit a platform like the WELL's linear asynchronous conferencing system, and a Discord server could be like that. Mastodon, maybe not, especially to the extent that it's integrated with the larger Fediverse and fed toots from many sources. That's a good substitute for Twitter, I think, but not necessarily a best platform for coherent conversation and focused attention.

I've been AWOL from regular nettime participation for years, partly because it's one of many email lists that fall into my various inboxes. I do hope the list will continue as a list until a substitute technology proves to work.

~ Jon L.

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