Andreas Broeckmann on Sat, 20 Apr 96 18:38 MDT |
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I'm not sure whether Matt was planning this, but for me (*1964) his message was almost shocking - though in no way offensive -, and it definitely revealed another deep rift in the imaginary 'unified net community', ie age: >all this discussion about "how the world is changing" is not relevant for >most people from my generation - i was born 1974 - and the next >generations, as many of us grew up with computers and cable-tv, and we >are all living these changes. we dont need to reflect on how the PC >changed the world, for the people 3 years younger than me, the PC is as >common as the compact-disc. i never owned a record-player, when i started >to buy music, i bought CDs. i cant divide without a calculator, and i >cant imagine anybody seriously writing a text of this length without >typewriter. > >so, maybe we can move on to more important things than >nations&sculptures on the net, and do something approriate;) > >no offense intended >matt smith makes me feel old - Plus the fact that I'm not sure whether the problem of nations is as obsolete as Matt suggests; at least, I guess that's what those two Vietnamese men thought when they were taken off the train (Warsaw-Berlin) in Frankfurt/Oder yesterday, crossing the border from Poland into Germany. On my way home from the station on the underground I overheard conversations in Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croat, German and Turkish - gives you an idea of how international Berlin is getting (whether they like it or not). I feel there is a strong need to address the problem of identity and nationhood from the perspective of real-life experiences (rather than only in terms of virtual mobility on the Net) - who would have thought that in order to work in EU-Holland as a German I need a work permit and residency permit which takes ages to process, just like any other 'alien'. I'm happy when people articulate the tension between real and virtual movements like, for instance, in the Siberian Deal project by Kathy Huffman and Eva Wohlgemuth, rather than those projects which pretend that borders and passports for bodies didn't exist any more. Greetings from an old world, Andreas ............................................................................ .......................................................... V2_Organisatie * Andreas Broeckmann * abroeck@v2.nl Eendrachtsstr.10 * NL-3012XL Rotterdam * t.+31.10.4046427 * fx.4128562 URL: http://www.v2.nl; Next 5 Minutes conference: http://www.dds.nl/n5m online in Berlin from February - April 1996. Wildenbruchstr.4, D-12045 Berlin, t/f.+49-30-6884834/-6884558 -- * distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission * <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, * collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets * more info: majordomo@is.in-berlin.de and "info nettime" in the msg body * URL: http://www.desk.nl/nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@is.in-berlin.de